Oh, it was quite obvious by your first reply to me that sound science is not important to you. Prolly would be best if you didn’t refer to experts like Michael Mann as frauds whilst championing the opinion of morons like James Inhofe.
I will happily tell you with a straight face that the OISM petition you are referencing is a complete scam. Many of the signatories are fake and many others don’t even have graduate degree not to mention those with graduate degrees in non-related fields.
It is called ‘anthropogenic global warming’, pay close attention to the second word in that phrase and see if you can’t grasp why your point is meaningless.
The point is, Gore claims to have 4,000 credible supporting scientists supporting his position when you look at the numbers, who they are what fields of specialization they are in, you will find less than 60 have specialization in the subject.
You can see a detailed report by searching google “ipcc cant count its numbers”.
Just because you say there is no evidence to support my claim doesnt make that correct.
Just because Gore says 4,000 scientists support his claim also doesnt make it true.
That is my point to you. You and others claim that the theory of AGW is correct yet it has yet to be proven.
Just because you, 60 scientists and a bunch of politicians say it is true doesnt mean it is true.
If it were backed by valid evidence why did lead scientists of the UEA and other institutions have to manipulate, erase and prevent data from being released upon FOI requests?
If the evidence is /was reliable, climategate would not have occured.
Proofs do not exist in climate science. You must be thinking of mathematics.
Saying that the UEA manipulated data shows a clear misunderstanding by you of what was done by the scientists. None of the primary data was erased.
If climate-gate had exposed any actual flaws in the science of AGW then you would have a point. Unfortunately for you climate-gate doesn’t detract one iota from the evidence of AGW.
Your last sentence shows an impressive failure in your use of logic.
So the references of the computer programmer of how he programmed the system to always show inclines no matter what temperatures sets were added is not a manipulation?
Jones emailed other scientists and told them to erase data. After this, he / they now claim that the original data used to create the hockey stick is “lost” very convenient.
Jones was offically told that he broke the law by preventing the release of data under FOI but was not charged because there was a time limit on such crime
My last sentence has two meanings and if you are as smart as you propose to be from your tone you would realise I wrote “is” reliable for the current information we have available and “was” reliable because now we will never know what the hockey data will be because Jones and his friends have “lost the data”.
but they did manipulate the data. leaving out key numbers to skew graphs in their proposed direction is manipulation. fabricating graphs (hockey stick) is manipulation. Al Gores’ chronological linkage of co2 to warming, and not the other way around, is manipulation. You might live in fairy land dude, but the rest of us have real scientists doing real science, whose coat-tales aren’t being pulled by billionaires.
@acidgawd999 The case for or the contrarian case floated by Cockburn?
Even if you don’t believe in climate change, one little fact tends to escape those that argue against it’s existence. One of the big arguments against it is the fact that the oceans release carbon. No one refuting climate change ever mentions that the oceans act as a carbon sink. That is to say, that eventually, the carbon that they absorb will be re released into the atmosphere.
@acidgawd999 Continued….
Also, would you care to take on coral bleaching, ocean dead zones, shifting ocean currents and dying phytoplankton?
I’ll give you a hint:
Rising ocean levels, melting ice shelves and an influx of fresh water in the Antarctic.
Refuting climate change is the same as an ostrich sticking it’s head in the sand. Sure, you don’t see anything changing.
But, that’s only because you have your head in the sand.
“When the Earth comes out of an ice age, the warming is not initiated by CO2 but by changes in the Earth’s orbit. The warming causes the oceans to give up CO2. The CO2 amplifies the warming and mixes through the atmosphere, spreading warming throughout the planet. So CO2 causes warming AND rising temperature causes CO2 rise.”
“So the references of the computer programmer of how he programmed the system to always show inclines no matter what temperatures sets were added is not a manipulation?”
This doesn’t appear to be what has happened. Cite a source or this claim is baseless.
To the rest of you comment I offer this article:
tinyurl com/yjo874j
Long story short, none of the hacked info detracts one iota from the validity of AGW.
From what I have read the coral bleaching is likely caused by increased acidity due to increased CO2 and increased warmth caused again by increased CO2.
Might wanna bone up on your denier talking points. Prolly wanna avoid using the ones that have been thoroughly discredited like the ones you make here.
“..The key thing is making sure the series are vertically aligned in a reasonable
way. I had been using the entire 20th century, but in the case of Keith’s,
we need to align the first half of the 20th century w/ the corresponding mean
values of the other series, due to the late 20th century decline.”
ww w. eastangliaemails. com/emails. php?eid=136&filename=938018124 . txt
“.. For the record, I do believe that the proxy data do show unusually
warm conditions in recent decades. I am not sure that this unusual warming
is so clear in the summer responsive data. I believe that the recent warmth
was probably matched about 1000 years ago. I do not believe that global
mean annual temperatures have simply cooled progressively over thousands of
years as Mike appears to..”
ww w. eastangliaemails. com/emails. php?eid=136&filename=938018124 . txt
Global warming is as fake as santa. The earth has always had influxes of temperature changes. Global warming alarmists lie more than our president does. Data shows that obama is full of shit same with algore.
this is all about temp data; what about polar ice and glaciers? someone prove to me that there is more and more ice annually on this planet and I’ll believe this whole thing’s a hoax.
Global warming is just another zionist Hoax
Al Gore is a laughing stock – he is married to a Rothschild, thats why he was put in charge to feather his nest, now he is in the family
the house of Rothschild and their zionist elite agents are behind the hoax, to bring on the next carbon trading bubble scam to make another $squillion ripping off the so called Gentile world – with his cohorts at Wall St and his agents in their banking cartels making all they can from the housing bubble and the stimulus payouts. they thought the global warming hoax was perfect to use as the next scam to break the bank of all governments, then they will cause Anarchy, slaughter and Chaos around the world, so everybody would happily resort to depend on the global zionist elites and a one world government to stop the violent mayhem for any chance of a change back to peace and a sound future
climate-gate and the growing nunber of sceptics has put a delay on their plans – but these zionist parasites aren’t giving up easily, as long as they have enough zionist puppets in governments taking their satanic orders
it’s all part of the zionist NWO plan – a global carbon trading scheme is one step closer to their global one world government plan – the more things they can turn global, the closer they are in achieving their agenda – like the WHO making vaccines become global to combat all the new viruses they are inventing for us, as well as a form of population cull, it’s all part of globalisation
@RL36D
Oh, it was quite obvious by your first reply to me that sound science is not important to you. Prolly would be best if you didn’t refer to experts like Michael Mann as frauds whilst championing the opinion of morons like James Inhofe.
mann’s an expert in something, but not in integrity.
He has more integrity than you or Inhofe.
@allanzircon
Actually, the evidence shows that sun spots have nothing to do with current warming,
tinyurl com/2mhgpb
@0sakaben
Actually, there is no evidence to support your claim.
@0sakaben
I will happily tell you with a straight face that the OISM petition you are referencing is a complete scam. Many of the signatories are fake and many others don’t even have graduate degree not to mention those with graduate degrees in non-related fields.
tinyurl com/d4h4ft
@iamsosquid
It is called ‘anthropogenic global warming’, pay close attention to the second word in that phrase and see if you can’t grasp why your point is meaningless.
The point is, Gore claims to have 4,000 credible supporting scientists supporting his position when you look at the numbers, who they are what fields of specialization they are in, you will find less than 60 have specialization in the subject.
You can see a detailed report by searching google “ipcc cant count its numbers”.
Just because you say there is no evidence to support my claim doesnt make that correct.
Just because Gore says 4,000 scientists support his claim also doesnt make it true.
Just to clariy, the number of 60 is the number of actual people of the 4000 that explicitly support the claim.
Take a look at the composition of the claim of 4,000 and you will quickly find that this number like AGW is a fallacy.
Funny you should mention fallacies. You might wanna look up the argumentum ad populum fallacy before you continue this line of argument.
Oh and AGW is supported by valid evidence and is not a fallacy.
I know what argumentum ad populum is about.
That is my point to you. You and others claim that the theory of AGW is correct yet it has yet to be proven.
Just because you, 60 scientists and a bunch of politicians say it is true doesnt mean it is true.
If it were backed by valid evidence why did lead scientists of the UEA and other institutions have to manipulate, erase and prevent data from being released upon FOI requests?
If the evidence is /was reliable, climategate would not have occured.
Proofs do not exist in climate science. You must be thinking of mathematics.
Saying that the UEA manipulated data shows a clear misunderstanding by you of what was done by the scientists. None of the primary data was erased.
If climate-gate had exposed any actual flaws in the science of AGW then you would have a point. Unfortunately for you climate-gate doesn’t detract one iota from the evidence of AGW.
Your last sentence shows an impressive failure in your use of logic.
So the references of the computer programmer of how he programmed the system to always show inclines no matter what temperatures sets were added is not a manipulation?
Jones emailed other scientists and told them to erase data. After this, he / they now claim that the original data used to create the hockey stick is “lost” very convenient.
Jones was offically told that he broke the law by preventing the release of data under FOI but was not charged because there was a time limit on such crime
My last sentence has two meanings and if you are as smart as you propose to be from your tone you would realise I wrote “is” reliable for the current information we have available and “was” reliable because now we will never know what the hockey data will be because Jones and his friends have “lost the data”.
but they did manipulate the data. leaving out key numbers to skew graphs in their proposed direction is manipulation. fabricating graphs (hockey stick) is manipulation. Al Gores’ chronological linkage of co2 to warming, and not the other way around, is manipulation. You might live in fairy land dude, but the rest of us have real scientists doing real science, whose coat-tales aren’t being pulled by billionaires.
@acidgawd999 The case for or the contrarian case floated by Cockburn?
Even if you don’t believe in climate change, one little fact tends to escape those that argue against it’s existence. One of the big arguments against it is the fact that the oceans release carbon. No one refuting climate change ever mentions that the oceans act as a carbon sink. That is to say, that eventually, the carbon that they absorb will be re released into the atmosphere.
@acidgawd999 Continued….
Also, would you care to take on coral bleaching, ocean dead zones, shifting ocean currents and dying phytoplankton?
I’ll give you a hint:
Rising ocean levels, melting ice shelves and an influx of fresh water in the Antarctic.
Refuting climate change is the same as an ostrich sticking it’s head in the sand. Sure, you don’t see anything changing.
But, that’s only because you have your head in the sand.
Wow, someone failed basic climate science.
“When the Earth comes out of an ice age, the warming is not initiated by CO2 but by changes in the Earth’s orbit. The warming causes the oceans to give up CO2. The CO2 amplifies the warming and mixes through the atmosphere, spreading warming throughout the planet. So CO2 causes warming AND rising temperature causes CO2 rise.”
Prolly oughta recheck your denier talking points.
“So the references of the computer programmer of how he programmed the system to always show inclines no matter what temperatures sets were added is not a manipulation?”
This doesn’t appear to be what has happened. Cite a source or this claim is baseless.
To the rest of you comment I offer this article:
tinyurl com/yjo874j
Long story short, none of the hacked info detracts one iota from the validity of AGW.
Good stuff.
From what I have read the coral bleaching is likely caused by increased acidity due to increased CO2 and increased warmth caused again by increased CO2.
@rollsthepaul
Might wanna bone up on your denier talking points. Prolly wanna avoid using the ones that have been thoroughly discredited like the ones you make here.
A couple of url’s from actual experts for you:
tinyurl com/2ssxek
tinyurl com/33enej
Climategate
Mann:
“..The key thing is making sure the series are vertically aligned in a reasonable
way. I had been using the entire 20th century, but in the case of Keith’s,
we need to align the first half of the 20th century w/ the corresponding mean
values of the other series, due to the late 20th century decline.”
ww w. eastangliaemails. com/emails. php?eid=136&filename=938018124 . txt
Climategate
Briffa:
“.. For the record, I do believe that the proxy data do show unusually
warm conditions in recent decades. I am not sure that this unusual warming
is so clear in the summer responsive data. I believe that the recent warmth
was probably matched about 1000 years ago. I do not believe that global
mean annual temperatures have simply cooled progressively over thousands of
years as Mike appears to..”
ww w. eastangliaemails. com/emails. php?eid=136&filename=938018124 . txt
Global warming is as fake as santa. The earth has always had influxes of temperature changes. Global warming alarmists lie more than our president does. Data shows that obama is full of shit same with algore.
this is all about temp data; what about polar ice and glaciers? someone prove to me that there is more and more ice annually on this planet and I’ll believe this whole thing’s a hoax.
[...] Inhofe: Al Gore, Global Warming Alarmists Running for Cover After Climategate [...]
Global warming is just another zionist Hoax
Al Gore is a laughing stock – he is married to a Rothschild, thats why he was put in charge to feather his nest, now he is in the family
the house of Rothschild and their zionist elite agents are behind the hoax, to bring on the next carbon trading bubble scam to make another $squillion ripping off the so called Gentile world – with his cohorts at Wall St and his agents in their banking cartels making all they can from the housing bubble and the stimulus payouts. they thought the global warming hoax was perfect to use as the next scam to break the bank of all governments, then they will cause Anarchy, slaughter and Chaos around the world, so everybody would happily resort to depend on the global zionist elites and a one world government to stop the violent mayhem for any chance of a change back to peace and a sound future
climate-gate and the growing nunber of sceptics has put a delay on their plans – but these zionist parasites aren’t giving up easily, as long as they have enough zionist puppets in governments taking their satanic orders
it’s all part of the zionist NWO plan – a global carbon trading scheme is one step closer to their global one world government plan – the more things they can turn global, the closer they are in achieving their agenda – like the WHO making vaccines become global to combat all the new viruses they are inventing for us, as well as a form of population cull, it’s all part of globalisation
zionism is a cancer upon humanity